NEWS
Downbeat magazine has included Emery in the "66 Great 6-Stringers"
guitar special feature. (July, 2003 issue)
In the summer of 2005, Emery was awarded a commission from Chamber Music America to write a new piece for the String Trio of New York. The new work, a large-scale piece titled The River of Orion, features 5 movements which involve notated material composed using established methods and 4 movements which utilize diverse improvisational concepts, arising from both standard and neoteric creative impulses.
The River of Orion received its world premiere at Sussex County Community College in Newton, NJ on May 5, 2006 and was again performed on the Kingston Jazz Festival in Kingston, NY on June 23, 2006.
On July 22, 2006, Emery's trio (with Rob DeBellis (alto, clarinet and flute) and Jay Anderson (bass)) opened the first annual jazz festival at the Bethel Woods Center for the Performing Arts at the site of the Woodstock Festival in 1969. Also appearing on the festival were, among others, George Benson, Paquito D'Rivera, Jimmy Heath and Wynton Marsalis.
Transformations - Music for 3 Improvisers and Orchestra:
Movement I - Archai / Movement II - The Flow Below / Interlude #1 /
Movement III - In a Myth / Interlude #2 / Movement IV - Polarities /
Interlude #3 / Movement V - The Solar Body
The 4 Quartets:
Fugitive Items / Down Home Tone Poem / Bird's Nest / Full Circle
(pt. 1) / Full Circle (pt. 2)
Tony Coe (tenor saxophone, clarinet), Franz Koglmann (flugelhorn),
James Emery (guitar), Peter Herbert (bass, on 4 Quartets only),
Klangforum Wien conducted by Emilio Pomarico
They exist: Gunther Schuller's heirs, the continuers and renewers of
the Third Stream approach, the protagonists of intertwining jazz and
e-music, hard to define stylistically, border-raiders at the
crossroads of advanced composition and contemporary improvisation.
Some of them, not the least important, are represented under the
between the lines label: Franz Koglmann, John Lindberg and James
Emery.
Guitarist / composer James Emery has already presented two
productions with btl. Both come under the category of subtle Chamber
Jazz (Luminous Cycles, btl 015 und Fourth World, btl 020). With
Transformations, Emery now develops his profile as an orchestral
composer with very deliberate roots in American traditions. In this
5-movement piece, interspersed by three interludes, three soloists
(Tony Coe, the eroto-maniac of the tenor saxophone, Franz Koglmann,
the flugelhorn lyricist, and James Emery, the guitar virtuoso
himself) encounter one of the key ensembles of New Music, the
Klangforum Wien under the baton of Emilio Pom=E1rico. In the piece,
several themes are sent through a compositional blender and come out
of the process transformed beyond all recognition. While hints of
American film music traditions are superbly mixed with reminiscences
of a Third Stream & la Andre Hodeir, it is ultimately Emery's
inimitable personal signature that brings this piece, which was
premiered at the Vienna Konzerthaus, to full bloom.
Transformations is complemented by four quartets interpreted by the
three soloists with the valiant support of bassist Peter Herbert in
the drum-less tradition of the likes of Jimmy Guiffre. Vague memories
of Be and Hard Bop (Full Circle) alternate with a deceptively easy
style (Down Home Tone Poem), a coolly distanced manner (Bird's Nest)
and an abstract process of dissolution (Fugitive Items). Highly
inspired, this chamber music reflects on the principal milestones of
jazz and its development in the second half of the 20th century.
Now available at the Downtown Music Gallery (342 Bowery, NYC),
www.james-emery.com.
James Emery interview with Klaus Nochtern, "Trespassing Borders" (9/00)
ArtistPlatform - James Emery Interview by Glenn M. Ito (2/02)
All About Jazz - an Interview with James Emery by Allen Huotari (6/01)
3 interviews
James Emery
interview with Klaus Nochtern,
"Trespassing
Borders"
KN: Your
recent albums are titled "Spectral Domains", "Luminous
Cycles"
There are also compositions with titles like "Red Spaces In A
Blue
Field" or "Violet Into The Blue": What importance does
the "optic
quality" of a composition have to you?
JE: The optic qualities, for me, refer both to literary aspects of
the titles and they also relate to the structure of the compositions.
I enjoy paintings and can relate the way a painting is organized to a
composition. Balance of materials is the key for me.
Do you have a synaesthetic perception of music? Do you associate
certain
colours with certain notes or sounds - and are there any
preferences?
I can relate keys and chords with colors, but I don't think in
those terms.
You seem to prefer a certain transparency in your arrangements
and
instrumentations. Is this the reason why you play acoustic guitar?
I like to have as much clarity and light in my works as is
possible. However, this is not the reason I play acoustic guitar. I
play it because of the range of expression that is available to me.
There are certain technical things, devices, that I like to use and
they are played much more fluidly on the acoustic. When the volume is
higher, the really fast little things don't come out. It's
obviously much easier to play softly, too. When playing electric, it
can be hard to play soft. Also, having my sound and ideas travel
through an electric wire has always been a little disconcerting to me.
I feel better and play better when the sound is right under my
fingers. Also, I'm more at ease when the sound I hear is the sound
of the instrument rather than the sound of the electric pickup.
Do you avoid amplified guitars, because you don't like them or is
it
only that they don't fit into your concept of guitar playing/
composing?
There are no musical instruments that I dislike. Each has it's
own special voice. For the way I'm hearing music, the acoustic
better fits my conception. Also, the connotations that the electric
brings up are something I would rather avoid. The acoustic allows me
to better escape categorization. By the way, I do amplify my guitar in
certain contexts. But I always strive to have that acoustic element in
there, even when the amplification is rather substantial.
Who are your favourite guitarists?
Charlie Christian, Wes Montgomery, Joe Pass, Bill DeArango, John
McLaughlin, Jim Hall, Jerome Harris, Vic Juris, Michael Bocian, John
Williams, Julian Bream, Paulo Bellinati, Joao Gilberto and many
others.
Do you enjoy rock-guitarists as well? Whom?
Jimi Hendrix is my favorite rock guitarist. Blues players I like
are Robert Johnson, Albert King, Magic Sam, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Eric
Clapton, Buddy Guy, Muddy Waters, Skip James, B.B. King, Freddie King
and many others.
The ensembles on the albums mentioned before are very much
alike:
guitar, bass, drums, two woodwinds and vibes/marimba (plus violin
on
"Spectral Domains"). Could you elaborate on the
instrumentation?
This instrumentation allows me to write without having to think
too much about the limitations of each instrument. I like to write for
facile, agile instruments that can play involved passages. Also, the
textures which result are very clear. There is something very flexible
and pliable about these combinations. As far as the woodwinds are
concerned, I wanted players who can double or triple on various
instruments which expands my sound palette considerably.
The use of vibes is not very far-spread in modern, let alone free
jazz.
Yet there are some great recordings, which you certainly know and
which
might be compatible with your own musical conception: What do you
think
of Teddy Charles' work, who recorded with musicians like Charles
Mingus,
Jimmy Giuffre or Booker Little?
I like the direction that Teddy Charles was reaching for. It has
some similarities to Tristano's work. What I most admire is that he
was bringing forth a fresh artistic vision and trying to say something
new. He was also concerned with orchestrating and not just playing a
great solo.
You said in an interview that you were "infatuated with
wind
Instruments". What are your favourite instruments and who are
your
favourite players?
As a child I wanted to play clarinet, alto sax or oboe. I even
wanted to play contra-bassoon at one point. My parents refused to
provide me with these instruments. I like all the woodwinds and
saxophones and I like trumpet and trombone. My favorites are John
Coltrane, Charlie Parker, Clifford Brown, Fats Navarro, Booker Little,
Ornette Coleman, Stan Getz, Miles Davis, Sam Rivers, Roscoe Mitchell,
Wayne Shorter, Anthony Braxton, Joe Lovano, Lester Bowie, Dave
Douglas, Marty Ehrlich, Julius Hemphill, Oliver Lake, Sonny Rollins,
Eric Dolphy and many others.
Your works for sextet or septet represent the state of the art of
what
can be called "chamber jazz". Do you think it a proper term
for your
music?
All the labels are mostly meaningless at this point except to
describe the historic music for which the labels were coined. I
can't control what people call my music so I don't try. I don't
think of music in terms of describing it verbally. However, one thing
that I think is somewhat accurate about the phrase chamber jazz when
applied to my music is that it suggests a combination of the
improvisational aspects of jazz with a chamber sensibility in which
group concerns such as orchestration, dynamics, group interplay and
ensemble unity are brought forth.
Mark Feldman just published some works for String Quartet. Is this
an
ensemble you could imagine to write for?
I have written a piece for the String Trio of New York combined
with string quartet. The piece has not been performed so am still
waiting to hear what I wrote. I can definitely imagine writing for the
ensemble alone, though. The Bartok string quartets are some of my
favorite music and have been very inspirational to me. Also Ligeti's
quartets.
What ensembles/instrumentations would you like to write
compositions
for?
Three years ago I would have said "orchestra". I am very
grateful to have had the opportunities to write for the ultimate
ensemble in a compositional sense. I guess the one extension of that
ensemble would be to combine a big band with 5 saxes, 4 trumpets and 4
trombones and rhythm section with a triple woodwind orchestra with a
huge string section. That would be awesome. That's what I would like
to write for. As the saying goes, "dream big".
The String Trio of New York has been playing for decades: How
important as
it for you to have musical long-term-relationships?
Obviously it's important to me. One of the things that
continually amazes about people who play the jazz language is that we
can just come together and the music will sound really good right away
with no rehearsal. But when you've played with the same people for
years, the telepathic thing is much more magnified. There's no other
way to get this quality. The long-term thing also keeps you in touch
with people who come from a similar place and share certain ideals and
concepts. It's been a great thing for me lately to play with people
I've known for a very long time...such as Joe Lovano, Sam Rivers,
Oliver Lake and Thurman Barker.
There's been a long and not always very convincing history of so
called
"third stream", i.e. the fusion or reconciliation of jazz
and classical
music. Can you think of any examples where this worked and has it
ever
been your intention to contribute to this third stream?
If it's a conscious effort - if someone says to her/himself
"Now I'm going to combine jazz and classical music" -
it's pretty much doomed to fail. If it's an organic thing, if the
connection has been made internally in the mind of the composer, it
will be a success because it's a natural creation of the
composer's mind. It's helpful if the composer thinks outside the
box...if it's all music, rather than jazz over here and classical
over there, disconnected.
What are the most important influences on your work as far as
classical
music is regarded?
Which musician is influential has depended on where I was
developmentally. When I was studying guitar as a child, Bach, Sor and
Richard Pick were important to me. After I started to hear Charlie
Parker and Coltrane, Schoenberg, Hindemith, Bartok and Stravinsky were
important because I could hear intervals, harmonies, and passages that
employed similar musical elements. After I started getting into the
AACM people, Stockhausen, Boulez, Kagel and Berio became important to
me. Same with Miles, Bill Evans and Herbie Hancock - I started to
react to Ravel and Debussy.
What are your favourite composers: in classical music as well as
in
jazz?
Classical: Bartok, Ravel, Bach, Berg, Stravinsky, Beethoven,
Shostakovich, Lutoslawski, Kagel, Donatelli, Messiaen.
In the recorded era, improvisations have functioned as composition.
That is, the performance is the composition. Prior to this era, the
composer had to notate improvisations in order to "fix"
them. Charlie Parker's solos, Coltrane's solos, have all the
integrity of compositions. Thus, all the great jazz performers were
great composers too. I think there is something to the idea of
improvisation being spontaneous composition and composition being
improvisation with reflection.
Jazz: Ellington, Mingus, Tadd Dameron, Wayne Shorter, Ornette Coleman,
Gunther Schuller, Muhal Richard Abrams, Anthony Braxton.
I know that it's probably one of the most enervating questions to
ask a
musician, nevertheless: Which records would you take to the famous
desert island? (Please do not name more then ten!)
Charlie Parker: best of Bird on Savoy
Bud Powell: Complete Verve recordings
John Coltrane: Complete Impulse recordings
Miles Davis: Quintets, 1965-68
Dave Holland: Conference of the Birds
Bela Bartok: Concerto for Orchestra, Music for String, Celeste and
Percussion, Chicago Symphony conducted by Bruno Walter
Maurice Ravel: Ma Mere L'Oye, Daphnis and Chloe, Tombeau de
Couperin, Orchestra of Paris
Art Ensemble of Chicago: People in Sorrow
Bach: Goldberg Variations
Joao Gilberto: solo on Verve
(it's a good thing there are so many boxed sets available. I would
have had a dreadful time trying to choose between A Love Supreme,
Crescent, Quartet Plays and Ascension...or between Nefertiti, Live at
the Plugged Nickel, Miles Smiles, Filles de Kilimanjaro, Miles in the
Sky and Sorceror!)
Do you regard yourself more as an instrumentalist or a
composer?
The two poles have so stimulated and influenced the other that the
distinction barely exists within my mind as a musician. The
distinction becomes more real depending on which part of the process
of creation I am concerned with at a certain time.
How important is it to you to participate in the performance of
your own
pieces?
Up to the current time and extending into the future, it's very
important because if I weren't performing in my pieces, they perhaps
would not exist. In this sense, you could say that my defining myself
as a performer is more important than as a composer.
What effect do the musicians who perform your music have on your
writing?
Certainly a great effect. If you know the people for whom you are
writing, the subtle and overt idiosyncrasies and tendencies of each
person can be used. This is a great deal different than if you are
writing for a generic ensemble. In the latter case, one must write
only for the instruments themselves and not the musical personalities
playing them.
Is there a certain starting point, when you write a
composition?
The starting point is when I hear it in my head or when I play it
on my guitar. The interesting question is: where did it come from?
Do extra-musical concepts and ideas have an impact on you? And if
so,
how do you transform them into music?
Naturally concepts and ideas outside of music have an impact.
After all, I'm a somewhat conscious being living on this particular
planet. I stay in touch with world events, news, social movements,
environmental concerns, sports, natural history, art movements, many
things. I am not a hermit. I don't consciously try to transform
these things into music, but I'm sure that somehow they are brought
forth because in creating my music, I try to express what I know, feel
and believe in sound. If all the extra-musical aspects are a part of
me in my totality, then they must be expressed, more or less, in my
music.
Can you comment on the balance between composition and
improvisation? Do you make sure that there'll be enough space for
improvisation and the
individuality of the musicians involved?
This is one of my biggest concerns. Balancing the two pillars of
music is extremely important to me. I like to connect my approach with
the theory articulated by the philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche in his
seminal intellectual work, The Birth of Tragedy. For Nietzsche,
the rational Apollonian sensibility co-exists in artists - in fact, in
all of us - with spontaneous Dionysian instincts. In practical terms,
art is often born of tension and dialogue between the structured and
ordered (the Apollonian) and the inventive, impulsive and even unruly
(the Dionysian).
Many of my compositions involve a multi-thematic approach that
combines my fixed ideas as a composer (composition - the Apollonian
realm) with a high degree of freedom for each performer (improvisation
- the Dionysian realm) as inspiration demands.
It is possible for these two different realms to then stimulate each
other, resulting in the growth of both forces into new areas through
the inspiration of the other. In the most well conceived
works, the duality eventually becomes reconciled and gives birth to a
new vision or sensibility. In this rarefied zone, the lines between
order and chaos blur - composed forms take on an improvised cast, and
improvisation achieves the integrity of composition.
Can you tell us about your future projects?
My muse is cooking something up now, but hasn't yet informed me
of the exact nature of the project. It has been a great delight to
write for the Klangforum group. To perform and record this music will
undoubtedly be one of the highlights of my career.
Baseball- or soccer-fans like to invent "best-of-teams".
When you look
at the history of jazz: Who would play in your "best-of-team"
in which
you'd be the guitar player?
I would not presume to include myself on such a team. If someone
else would decide to place me upon such a team, I would gladly play,
but I'm not putting myself in a pantheon of greats.
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ArtistPlatform
Subject: guitarist JAMES EMERY
Interview Date: Feb. 2nd, 2002
By Glenn M. Ito
GI: Can you recall
the first time you were attracted to music?
JE: The first attraction that I recall came from playing a small
portable organ that appeared on Christmas day when I was 6. I started
to play and immediately fell in love with it. A few days later I
clearly remember, to this day, thinking to myself "I will be a
musician". The joy I felt in playing was far greater than
anything else I had experienced. I wanted to play any kind of music,
various styles or idioms were not a concern. I remember too as a child
being infatuated with Grieg, Ray Charles and Tchaikowsky. I remember
studying the instruments of the orchestra and the big band (my Dad was
and is a big band lover) in the encyclopedias we had in the house and
then trying to hear those sounds on the records.
GI: We're very fortunate that you didn't choose a life selling
encyclopedias door-to-door. What convinced you to become a
performing artist?
JE: As I mentioned before, the ecstasy that came from playing was the
deciding factor. After a lot of studying, practicing and performing as
a child and teenager, the event that set me on my current path was
hearing the music of Charlie Parker. That was a revelatory experience.
Since then, I have had many such events, including experiences of
Coltrane, Bud Powell, Monk, Bartok, Berg, the Pygmies of the Ituri
Forest, Joao Gilberto, the AACM people, Lutoslawski, Sam Rivers,
Miles, Tony Williams...the list goes on and on.
GI: Aside from Joao Gilberto, you haven't mentioned one plectrist.
What eventually lead you to the guitar? Surely it wasn't the
Pygmies of the Ituri Forest!
JE: The guitar was kind of a default position for me. After playing
the organ for some time, I started to become very interested in wind
instruments and I remember asking my parents at various times for
either a clarinet, oboe or alto sax. They turned me down every time. I
remember also thinking it would be nice to play bassoon but I never
asked for that, probably realizing that would be nixed too. So finally
when I asked for a guitar, they said yes. I have listened to a lot of
great guitarists over the years and Charlie Christian and Wes
Montgomery continue to inspire. So, looking back, it wasn't always the
instrument that I got into as much as it was the pure music that was
being played regardless of instrument - that's what excited
me.
GI: What would you say are the key components in your unique approach
to composing and performing the music?
JE: It's hard for me to look at what I do objectively and come up with
a coherent answer. I know that I place a lot of emphasis on sounding
original, both in tone quality and in the musical content. I have
always sought to have my own sound - to speak with my own voice - and
it's always a great complement to hear that I don't sound like anyone
else. So I try to let my own touch, ideas and energy come through at
all times. In fact, I really can't do anything but that. In terms of
musical content, I draw on a wide range of materials without trying to
limit or restrict what I'm using. Harmonic concepts and devices,
melodic configurations, rhythmic ideas...ways to juxtapose
forms...sound colors and textures...there's no end of possibilities in
each of these areas. In terms of writing, I've been trying for at
least ten years now to include a substantial amount of written music -
through-composed material - in order to sustain a balance with the
improvised material.
GI: What is your most memorable musical moment to date?
JE: You must allow me several moments. I'll start with the most
recent first: the last concert by the String Trio of New York, Dec.
15, 2001. We started at a very high level and went higher with each
successive piece. By the end of the night, we were way up there...over
and out. It was our best concert, in my opinion, in 24 years. So it's
always good to know that your best work is not behind you. Next, my
two experiences with orchestras. The last was in Vienna in Sept. 2001.
The orchestra is, in the opinion of some, the most highly developed
example of technology available to humans. Whether or not that is
true, it is an awesome entity, staggering in its power, grace,
complexity and subtlety. I wrote a 45-minute work for Klangforum Wien,
a truly gifted ensemble, with Franz Koglmann, Tony Coe and me as
improvising soloists. It came off very well. The whole experience of
writing and orchestrating for the orchestra is a complete and total
experience in every sense of the word. My first piece for orchestra,
Cobalt Blue, was for the String Trio and the Air Force Symphony. When
I walked off the stage after that gig, my body was tingling all over.
Other memories...playing with Sam Rivers! Wow! Playing with Joe
Lovano! Wow!...Henry Threadgill, Wadada Leo Smith, Anthony Braxton,
Marty Ehrlich, Oliver Lake, Leroy Jenkins, Lester Bowie!...so many
others.
GI: What is your most memorable non-musical moment to date?
JE: My most memorable non-musical moments are invariably family ones.
Meeting and marrying my lovely wife Colleen, the birth of our
beautiful daughter Hannah...often being the "primary
care-giver"...going into her school to help out...the fun we all
have together. All the myriad occasions and occurrences that happen to
a family (in the largest sense of the word) in the course of being
alive on this planet, all these events large and small are most
memorable to me.
GI: I noticed
you've titled some of your compositions after family members (Hannah
for example). Would you say these family experiences have, in
some way, contributed to your music at all?
JE: Well, you know, all humanity is one big family. One day we'll all
realize and embrace that fact and all humanity will progress. My own
family, and my experiences in and with the world-at-large (the big
family) always contribute to my music. I feel that if what one is
doing is really original, then everything that happens to that person,
all his/her experiences come out in the expression of that
originality.
GI: Here's one from left field: What's your favorite food, and can you
give some recommendations for fine eating establishments when on the
road?
JE: I have so many favorites...my favorite types are Indian, Mexican,
Japanese, Turkish, various Chinese cuisines, French, Italian,
Thai...I'm sure I'm forgetting some. As for recommendations...well,
you had to throw that word "fine" in there, didn't you? That
leaves out a whole lot of perfectly nutritious and respectable
eateries that we musicians go to simply because they're there. Often
we don't have a choice and have to take whatever is available.
Anyway...in Chicago for breakfast (24 hour, my favorite kind), it has
to be Valois in Hyde Park. In NYC, I love Pasha, Nobu, Maryann's and
Mamouns. In Vienna, a regular-style place near the usual hotel called
Smutny. Best of all, Fini in Modena. Most of time, though, I can't
tell you the name of the restaurant the next day.
GI: Any final thoughts or special announcements?
JE: I look forward very much to the release of my next CD, on Between
The Lines. It's titled Transformations, subtitled Music for Three
Improvisers and Chamber Orchestra. It's the recording of the event I
talked about earlier. I'm still on cloud 9 over the sound of the
orchestra, the playing of the improvisers, the sheer musicality of the
whole thing. I'm also totally in love with the CD I did with Joe
Lovano, Judi Silvano and Drew Gress. It's titled Fourth World and is
also on Between The Lines. I recommend it without reservation. I'm
very happy with the way things are working out in my career. I like
the idea of doing different projects with different ensembles and
configurations and pouring everything I have into each one. I am truly
thankful to have had the opportunity to write, perform and record my
sextet project, the septet project, orchestras, different quartets,
the String Trio, etc...and I'm grateful that life continues to unfold
in very interesting ways and that I continue to grow and learn. I
think it's absolutely true that the best is always yet to come...one
thing is for sure - I'm never bored.
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An Interview with James Emery
Reprinted with permission from All About Jazz.
June, 2001
By Allen
Huotari
"Music expresses that which can not be said and on which it is
impossible to be silent." - Victor Hugo
For many people, music is little more than the sonic equivalent to
mood lighting, serving a simple decorative role, providing
embellishment or modification to the environment, or at minimum,
comfort noise.
For others, music (especially rock and pop) provides a set of theme
songs whereby a proxy (typically via vocals/lyrics) indirectly
articulates the listener's personal thoughts and feelings.
However, for many listeners, music establishes a soundtrack to their
lives. For these people, music does not symbolize or embody thoughts
and feelings but instead evokes and inspires thoughts and feelings.
Alternatively, music can provide an aural memory trigger, flooding a
listener's mind with recollections of past events that are
associated to having heard a particular piece. This is not to say that
the music tells one what to think or how to feel but that listeners
can find meaning, insight, and renewal for themselves in the simple
act of listening. This inutterable, intangible, and often completely
idiosyncratic manifestation of emotion and intellect naturally
transcends what the musicians originally intended.
Perhaps it is the relative ease of being put into this space that
makes the music of guitarist James Emery particularly satisfying (at
least for this listener).
Best known as a founding member of the String Trio of New York (a
lineup of violin, guitar, and bass). Mr. Emery has also appeared on
recordings by Leroy Jenkins, Anthony Braxton, Leo Smith, and Henry
Threadgill to name but a few.
In addition to the fourteen recordings by the STNY over the past 24
years, Mr. Emery has also released a half dozen albums under his own
name. His latest, LUMINOUS CYCLES (2001, Between the Lines) features a
formidable cast consisting of: Marty Ehrlich (alto sax, soprano sax,
clarinet, flute), Chris Speed (tenor sax, clarinet), Drew Gress
(bass), Gerry Hemingway (drums, glockenspiel), and Kevin Norton
(marimba, vibes, tympani, bowed tam-tam). LUMINOUS CYCLES continues
Mr. Emery's investigations into a deeply personal sound while
evincing new facets as well.
Of LUMINOUS CYCLES, AAJ's Modern Jazz Editor Glenn Astarita
writes:
"Throughout his long standing affiliation with the time honored
String Trio of New York, guitarist James Emery has righteously emerged
as one of the finest modern jazz guitarists on the globe. However,
Emery has also exhibited an exquisite compositional pen via a string
of mighty impressive solo recordings on the ENJA label, while LUMINOUS
CYCLES signifies his inaugural release for Frankfurt, Germany based
Between The Lines and On pieces, such as the opener "Luminous
Cycles", we are treated to interweaving textures comprised of
micro-vignettes, burgeoning rhythms and lilting or at times,
penetrating passages amid the musicians' altogether emotive
interplay and Overall, this outing may represent James Emery's finest solo
effort to date as the artist once again demonstrates his idiosyncratic
approach to modern jazz composition! Easily one of the top picks of
the year! - Strongly recommended." - MODERN JAZZ EDITOR'S
PICK, ALL ABOUT JAZZ, JUNE 2001
To help commemorate the release of LUMINOUS CYCLES, James Emery
graciously consented to the following interview which was conducted
via e-mail correspondence from February-May 2001.
Special thanks to Glenn Ito of Between the Lines for enabling this
interview and for continued support to All About Jazz.
All About Jazz: Would you please tell the AAJ readers about where
you were born, raised, and what your earliest musical memories
are?
James Emery: I was born in Youngstown, Ohio and my family moved to
the Cleveland, Ohio area when I was 5. My earliest musical memory is
of receiving a small portable organ for Christmas when I was 6. I
started playing it immediately, using the instruction book and the
song books that came with it. The instruction book used numbers for
the notes rather than the typical letter names. This turned out to be
a good way to learn intervals and transposition. Anyway, playing that
little organ was so much fun that I knew at that time that I would be
a musician. I had memorized a lot of tunes and somehow word got out
about my ability to play so one day in 1st grade I took my organ in to
school and went around from classroom to classroom playing for all the
kids. I remember looking up while playing for the 8th grade class and
all the big kids were smiling and having a good time, so I knew I was
reaching them and making them feel good or at least amusing them. It
was a nice feeling for me too.
I also remember loving the music of Grieg, Tchaikovsky and Ray Charles
when I was small. I remember studying the instruments of the orchestra
and comparing the different sounds.
AAJ: What led you to choose guitar as instrument of choice?
JE: After awhile, my interest in the organ began to fade, and I
think it was because of the teacher my parents got for me. He just
took all the fun out of it and made it a chore to play. Also, my
parents had bought a gigantic Hammond organ and it was pretty imposing
to a little kid like me. Then I went through a period of being
infatuated with wind instruments. I wanted a clarinet, an alto
saxophone or an oboe. My parents turned me down every time I asked for
one of those wind instruments. I don't really remember what led me to
ask for a guitar, but when I did, they got one for me, along with an
instruction book. I ran into the bedroom my brother Joe and I shared
and started to get down with the book immediately. After about 15
minutes, I discovered to my chagrin that the useless book could only
teach me how to play simple chords that one was to strum while singing
the melody of the song, which is what I wanted to learn. So I credit
my parents for leading me to the guitar by not buying me a wind
instrument. But it's funny that I wanted to play melodies on the
guitar, not just the chords. So I was into a wind and melodic approach
right away.
AAJ: In addition to the aforementioned "self-taught"
lessons, how would you describe your musical education? Formal?
Informal? Both? Please elaborate.
JE: After my parents bought me a guitar, they insisted that I
study the instrument with a teacher. I was very fortunate to find Ann
Stanley, a violinist in the Cleveland Orchestra (George Szell was the
conductor then) and a very fine classical guitarist. She gave me a
thorough education in the basics of music filtered through the guitar.
She told my parents that her aim was for me to be able to play any
kind of music when she got through with me. I was lucky to get her as
a teacher. I also studied with Dave Trader and Ralph Russo. But Bill
DeArango, the seminal modern jazz guitarist, was like a mentor to me.
He owned a music store in Cleveland and when I was in high school I
went there to buy a new guitar. As I was playing various instruments,
trying to decide which one to buy, he was listening to me and after I
had decided on a Gibson 335 (my first really nice guitar), he asked if
I wanted to give lessons after school at his store. So I started to
teach there. So, anyway, the first break I had, he showed me the
changes to Cherokee and I played the changes while he blew over them.
I didn't know what was happening at all! I heard all these notes and
different phrases flowing all over the place. It was my first exposure
to jazz on the guitar other than an incredible jazz guitarist I heard
as a kid playing on a cartoon soundtrack, probably Bugs Bunny or Road
Runner. I think it was Howard Roberts and he sounded great. Anyway,
Bill was really deep, one of the first, and maybe the only player of
his generation to embrace free playing. I also studied theory and
composition at Cleveland State U. and at City College in
NYC.
AAJ: When did your first exposure to jazz occur? What was your
reaction?
JE: The first thing I remember hearing was "Om" by
Coltrane and I said to myself: "Whoa...I need to step back from
that. I know something is happening, but I'm not ready for that. I
better come back to that later." I had been playing a lot of
blues at the time, like Muddy Waters and Howlin' Wolf electric Chicago
style. I was really deep into that music. But somehow I knew there had
to be other expressions of the blues, so I asked Bill about it. He
directed me to Lester Young's recordings with Basie in the 30's. Every
Tub, Jumpin' at the Woodside, One O'Clock Jump, things like that. I
loved Lester's approach, and learned a few of his solos. Three weeks
later, Lester led to Bird and when I heard Charlie Parker, that was
it. My whole approach to music changed after that. I became very
excited by that music and started to study it on my own all day every
day. I remember it took me 8 hours to learn Bloomdido, a 12 bar blues.
Luckily the record players back then slowed down to 16 2/3s so I could
get a handle on all that fast stuff. Hearing Bird led to Diz, then
Miles, Bud, Monk, Stan Getz, Rollins, etc... My next encounter with
Coltrane was Giant Steps, and I remember thinking "I'd love to
play like that." When I heard "Crescent" that really
changed me too.
AAJ: To the best of my knowledge, the first recording you appeared
on was Leroy Jenkins "For Players Only". How did your
involvement in this recording come about?
JE: After moving to NYC in 1974, I started taking lessons with
Leroy, which basically amounted to me coming over and playing his
music with him and him looking over my music and making comments and
suggestions. Leroy took me under his wing and introduced me to his
friends from the AACM and the Black Artists Group. Many of these
musicians were coming to NYC at the time. I guess he felt that I was
ready to play so he offered me the date. I feel that I owe Leroy a
lot. He set a standard for me to live up to. His group at that time,
the Revolutionary Ensemble, was very influential to me. And by
introducing me to his fellow musicians, I started to get work with
them. Also the idea of being a composer as well as an instrumentalist
became important to me. I had begun writing my own pieces while in
high school but I never thought seriously about composing until I
started playing with Leroy and his colleagues.
AAJ: And at this point, Mr. Jenkins' numerous colleagues included
Anthony Braxton, Charles Bobo Shaw, Bobby Naughton, Leo Smith, Joseph
Bowie, etc. Among this group of people (many of whom are not named
here), who was most influential or inspirational to you?
JE: I can't say definitively who was most important to me, as so
many people freely gave their time and advice. I would like to say
right now that I am so grateful to everyone who took the time to help
me. Leroy was a big influence. I got to see first-hand how he
operated, the kinds of things he had to do to make it as a creative
musician. He had formed the Revolutionary Ensemble with Sirone and
Jerome Cooper and they were very active on the scene. I got a break
when the apartment over Leroy's became available and I moved in. The
rent was $140 a month in 1974. Jerome Cooper moved in with me as a
roommate and he was there for a year or so. That was an education.
Leroy would give me tips on things too, like telling me you always
need material, that is, new compositions to record, and business stuff
to think about, like percentages of the gate, stuff relating to
agents, etc. Leroy was looking out for me in various ways.
Braxton was very influential. At that time, his influence on the
entire jazz scene was very pervasive. Many people probably don't know
or remember that he was one of the top jazz musicians of that time,
winning the Downbeat poll as top musician and winning top recording,
that sort of thing. He was very interested in new things, as he still
is, and searching out musicians who were doing something different.
Braxton gave me some work back then and I made my first European tour
with him in 1978. I learned a lot from him about how to organize music
compositionally and various ways to integrate improvisation into
written structures. Anthony also exposed me to the concept of
improvising within verbal definitions of musical
activity.
Kalaparusha Maurice McIntyre gave me my first extended tenure in a
touring group. We played a lot of gigs in the 9 months I was with him.
He had a trio with Warren Smith on drums and me. I thought his Delmark
records were some of the best AACM stuff and I learned a lot playing
with him. One thing I remember is that in rehearsal we would work on
all these difficult heads and passages and then on the gig, we would
forget all that and just play.
Sam Rivers was a titanic force then, and still is. I felt that Studio
Rivbea, his performance loft-space and home, was the epicenter of the
loft jazz movement. Sam consistently amazed me. He would go on at
Rivbea and play for 1 1/2 hours straight, on the highest, most
creative musical levels, with no drop in intensity or inventiveness.
And playing more horn than most anybody. His trio with Barry and Dave
Holland was amazing.
Dave Holland was also very influential and encouraging. The way he
played the bass showed me a string conception that I could try to
apply to the guitar, thinking of the guitar as a string instrument. I
learned a lot about possible roles and functions a string instrument
could bring into play in an improvisational setting thru studying his
work and the work of Gary Peacock, Sirone, Charles Clark, Henry
Grimes, Jimmy Garrison, Scott LaFaro and Charlie Haden.
Barry Altschul was very encouraging, inviting me over to play at his
loft. We did quite a bit of jamming over there. Barry was one of the
people who personified the scene at that time.
Karl Berger was very helpful and supportive and he thankfully gave me
quite a bit of work back then. The Creative Music Studio (CMS), Karl's
revolutionary school, didn't have a guitar teacher, and after Karl
heard me on a gig in Woodstock with Kalaparusha, he offered me a
teaching position at CMS and gave me some nice gigs playing with him.
On those gigs, I had the great privilege of playing with people like
Ed Blackwell, David Izenson, Dave Holland, Carlos Ward and others.
George Lewis was someone I hung out with quite a bit. He could play
anything you could think of and more on the trombone. George was into
all kinds of different things, too, not only jazz. He was into
computers, which back then was the mighty Commodore 64. George was
building his own electronic processing devices and creating electronic
music. His creative breadth was quite expansive.
Some of the great gigs I remember from that time other than Sam's
typically brilliant performances were Julius Hemphill and Abdul Wadud
playing the music from Julius's landmark recording Dogon A.D. at the
theater, the Revolutionary Ensemble at Bard College and a just
unbelievable week at Ali's Alley (Rashied Ali's club on Greene St. in
Soho). The band was an all-star quintet - Air (Henry Threadgill, Fred
Hopkins and Steve McCall) with Muhal Richard Abrams and Roscoe
Mitchell. I went every night and every night was amazing. You'd leave
there shaking your head. This was in 1977. To my knowledge, that band
never recorded, but they should have. In many ways, that group
encapsulated the creativity, power and nonconformist aspects of that
time perfectly.
I have been delighted lately to find myself playing with some of those
influential people after all this time has passed. I finally got to
play with Sam on a concert Thurman Barker had both of us on last year.
It was everything I thought it would be and more and we played
together very well. I recently had the pleasure of playing with
another of the leading lights today and at that time, Oliver Lake. The
String Trio featured Oliver as a special guest in concerts in New
Jersey and Houston.
I met Joe Lovano in 1976 at his loft on 23rd St. We didn't know each
other in Cleveland, but did some nice jamming after we met up in NYC.
That led to STNY featuring Joe as a guest artist in our 20th
anniversary year, 1998. We commissioned him to write a piece for all
of us together and did a national tour. We played some beautiful,
non-compromising music together.
Along with the AACM people, the BAG musicians from St. Louis had come
to NY and re-vitalized the scene. Great musicians such as Lester
Bowie, Julius Hemphill, Oliver, Bluiett and others welcomed me into
the fold. I first played with Bobo in 1975 with Joe, Abdul Wadud and a
few other players. This led to my joining the Human Arts Ensemble.
This was a big break for me. Lester, George Lewis and Philip Wilson
did many of the gigs we played. The core band was Bobo, Joe, Luther
Thomas, Lindberg and me. At that time, you could play a lot of gigs
just in NYC. At least a dozen places were featuring the new music
nightly.
It was an incredible scene to be a part of. It was everything I
thought NYC would be, just full of music, creativity and excitement.
The thought never crossed my mind that in a few years, the whole scene
would be shut down.
Suffice to say, we haven't seen the likes of a similar creative era
since then. It was probably the closest thing to the 52nd St.
phenomenon.
AAJ: What did you learn during this time period that you believe
has proven to have made the most impact on your career and/or musical
philosophy?
JE: A couple of ideas are still very important to me. The concept
of music as being a personal artistic expression not limited to one
particular genre. At that time, anything went as long as it was
original. The whole leader/sideman thing wasn't as important then. You
saw a lot of collective groups come out of that period. The Art
Ensemble was the group that led the way and they had come out of the
collective mentality of the AACM. At that time in NYC, you had the
World Sax Quartet, Air, the Revolutionary Ensemble, Human Arts
Ensemble, and the String Trio of New York. If I've neglected to
mention anyone, please forgive me. Also, the idea that it was probably
going to be important to have some business chops. If no one was going
to book you, book yourself. Set up your own gigs. A number of
independent record labels were started as a result of this idea. I
know that a lot of people felt that if there wasn't a recording
company to sign up with, they would produce their own records. A lot
of great music was documented as a result.
AAJ: The violin/guitar/bass lineup of the String Trio of New York
is unusual (if not unique) for any musical genre. It could also be
easily suggested that it is perhaps also independent of "musical
era" as well. Could you please describe how the String Trio of
New York came to be?
JE: I have told this story a million times. John Lindberg and I
had met in Woodstock and found we were interested in playing similar
musics. When he moved to NY, we kept jamming just like up in
Woodstock. That meant we were playing 6-8 hours everyday. At that
time, we were mostly playing at Ed Montgomery's loft, across the
street from "the theater". The theater was one of the
hotbeds of musical activity. Ellen Stewart of La Mama had basically
given this loft building to Bobo and everybody was rehearsing there
all the time and there was a concert scene, too. It was at 236 E. 3rd
St., btw. Aves. B and C. That was a very rough neighborhood back then,
with a lot of negative elements. You couldn't get a latte over there
in those days. But if you just went about your business and didn't
bother anybody, the guys on the street would let you go ahead. I was
over there nearly every day for 2 years straight. The neighborhood is
totally yuppified now. Anyway, when we weren't playing in the theater,
we were in Ed's storefront jamming. I remember meeting Billy Bang in
the hallway at Leroy's building before I moved into the apartment over
him. But I didn't see Bang again until one day when he came over to
Ed's when John and I were doing our typical thing, which was all-out
energy playing for hours at a clip. Bang asked if he could play with
us and we said sure. After a few short minutes, we stopped and looked
at each other...it was like "wow, listen to that sound!" So
we decided to do some gigs and see what happened. We had
"accidentally" come upon this combination that would last
through the rest of the century and into the current time. It's really
a natural sound that goes well together. The STNY is independent of
musical era too, like you said. We can play all sorts of music with
this combination and make it sound good. We have all the registers,
not quite the range of a piano, but all the range of the orchestra.
Also, the instruments correspond well with the elements of music, that
is, the violin is a natural melodic instrument, one of the major
aspects of the guitar is the harmonic function, and the bass takes on
the rhythmic function. One of the interesting things we play with in
the group is changing these roles around.
AAJ: So how has the group changed over time and how has it remained
consistent ? (given that the violinist has been filled by Billy Bang,
Charles Burnham, Regina Carter, and Diane Monroe)
JE: Anytime you
change 1/3 of a group, the changes are profound, especially when the
front line voice is changed. Every time the violin chair has changed,
the music has changed in positive ways. Obviously, there are many
idiosyncratic things that can't be duplicated and we don't try. Every
violinist in the Trio is a very special player with very personal
things to say on the instrument. So the group has changed radically
over time but I would like to think that we have managed not only to
keep the music on the highest level we can attain, but that the music
has grown and developed in positive ways.
AAJ: Recently it was announced Rob Thomas joined the STNY. Could
you please elaborate on this new development?
JE: Diane Monroe played violin with the Trio for 4 years, from '97
to '00. She left the group in November, '00. Our last concert with
Diane was at the New School University in NYC. She left to pursue a
solo career. She has always been a part of an ensemble instead of
being the person out front, so she wants to give that a try. We had a
very amiable parting. Diane is a great musician and I hope she has
every possible success. She can play the violin more different ways
than anyone I ever heard.
Rob brings a fully developed jazz vocabulary to the violin chair. His
improvising is not limited in any sense. He has the ear, the
experience and the technique to pull off anything he wants. He also
brings a big sound and a great work ethic. I am absolutely thrilled to
have him in the Trio and he too is very happy about joining the
group.
AAJ: Your recordings for ensemble (Turbulence (1991), Standing on a
Whale Fishing For Minnows (1996), Spectral Domains (1998), and
Luminous Cycles (2001)) are quite varied musically. Aside from the
common personnel base (Ehrlich, Hemingway, and Formanek for the first
three and Ehrlich, Hemingway, and Speed for the latter two) what other
commonalities might be found in these recordings? (Or alternatively,
should these recordings be listened to as a loose series of projects
or as completely independent projects?)
JE: As I see it, the only commonality running thru these
recordings is that it's my playing and writing that is featured on all
of them. I'm trying to make my own statements and give voice to my
ideas, my feelings and my thoughts without regard to trends or musical
fashions. Some people tell me that they know my music and my sound
when they hear it. If this is true, then thankfully I am succeeding in
what I'm trying to do, which is to make an individual and personal
expression in sound.
AAJ: As follow up, are you composing for specific instrumentation
or are you composing for these specific musicians? Or both? (I realize
that you explain this somewhat in the liners to Luminous Cycles but
many readers won't see those. Thanks.)
JE: I'm really thankful that I can get the quality of players that
I have been able to work with. I definitely write for the players but
you naturally have to consider and work within the limitations of the
instruments. This is very clear to me after having written a concerto
for the String Trio and symphony in 1998-99 and now writing a chamber
orchestra project. In these large scale works, you don't know the
players so you have to write for the generic instrument. Still, there
is such a vast amount of possibilities in orchestral writing that the
lack of individuality is not such a big problem. Also, I have a few
soloists in each project so the special personal qualities come thru
in that way.
AAJ: What musicians would you most like to work with that you've
never worked with before? Why?
JE: Most of the musicians who I've never worked with but with whom
I would like to play have passed over. On this side, I'd like to play
with musicians like Hank Jones, Ornette Coleman, Herbie Hancock,
Charlie Haden, Idris Muhammad, Joao Gilberto, Enrique Morente...people
who come from another time and place and have a totally personal way
of playing music.
AAJ: In general, do your tunes arise out of improvisation or
composition?
JE: In my opinion, all musical works arise out of improvisation.
When a composer sits down to write, the music is "given" or
"it comes" to her or him. Where does it come from? They
heard it internally or when playing an instrument (but that doesn't
mean they created it). It is not notated when it is first heard. It
only becomes "composed" music when the composer writes it
down. So I consider that first contact to be improvised. Once I get my
basic motifs in place, much of the writing that comes after that is
generated from the original material and that process would generally
be considered composing rather than improvising. But you have to be
open to let the music lead you where it will rather than you forcing
the music here or there. You'll be writing along, say, and then all of
a sudden, ideas start to come to you. You think "Ah ha! Isn't
that nice? Let's see where this leads...oh! I wasn't expecting that!"
And so it goes...
AAJ: What advantages of improvisation do you feel composers usually
don't understand or appreciate?
JE: It depends on the composer and the experiences they have had
with improvisation and improvisers. The composer needs to have
knowledge of improvising. With some knowledge of improvisation, a
composer can get the rare and wonderful quality of a music that is
being created RIGHT NOW in their work, and is not music that has been
created some time in the past and is being interpreted in performance.
It's a quality of immediacy.
AAJ: What advantages of composition do you feel improvisers usually
don't understand or appreciate?
JE: Like before, it depends on the improviser. The best
improvisers have a compositional way of ordering their improvisations.
They move thru a series of ideas in an organic, structured way. I
think the observation that - on the highest levels - improvisation is
instant composition and composition is improvisation on reflection is
on target.
AAJ: What do you personally find to be the most alluring aspect of
improvisation for you?
JE: The freedom to create any mood, feeling or thought within a
panoramic variety of forms.
AAJ: As a follow up, what do you feel are the most common
misunderstandings or popular misconceptions about improvisation?
JE: That improvisation is something you can just do without
practicing, researching and studying.
AAJ: Do you have any techniques you personally employ to enhance or
restore your own creative energy when you encounter difficulties in
composing? If so, what are they?
JE: The technique I employ is to simply stop and cool out for a
while. If difficulties are arising, it might be caused by
over-manipulation of the given material, or trying to make it into
something that it isn't. Or trying to put too much ego into it.
However, when difficulties arise in orchestrating, you can push on
thru without doing much damage. Orchestrating a big piece is like
hiking across Africa. You better be ready for a long, arduous journey.
You have to keep going, even when it seems like you're in an endless
swamp with quicksand all around - one wrong step and you're gone.
AAJ: Do you actively and consciously incorporate insights (whether
they are compositional methods or instrumental techniques) when
performing, recording, or composing? Or is this accomplished
intuitively and unconsciously? (I guess simply put, how often, if
ever, do you think about what you're doing?)
JE: A strange question. When I'm learning a piece or creating a
new work, I naturally I seek to actively and consciously know as much
about what I'm doing as is possible in every aspect. Practice as much
as possible, analyze the smallest detail, get as much information as
possible, be as ready as you can be and then when the performance
comes, let it all go and trust that what comes thru will be as strong
and as pure as it can be. It's best to stay in the moment and not get
hung up in analyzing what you've just played, otherwise you'll trip
yourself up by thinking too much about what just happened instead of
what's coming next.
AAJ: Do you have any preparatory routines or rituals prior to
performing live? If so, could you describe them?
JE: If I can, I like to be alone before going to the gig. I like
to focus on the music as much as I can and get in a quiet internal
space if possible. I also find that sometimes it's very helpful to
look at any difficult written music right before going on. Basically
everything I try to do before a gig or recording is to eliminate
distractions and focus on the music at hand.
AAJ: What's the funniest or most embarrassing thing that's happened
to you while performing or recording?
JE: One thing comes to mind - on a STNY gig somewhere, we were
about to start Cobalt Blue, a piece I count off. For some reason,
Diane must have thought I was just bringing in the piece without
counting it off, so she just blasted out her first note, a triple
forte high D. The note by itself was really powerful, but she was out
there all by herself.
Another time in Switzerland when Regina Carter was in the band, we
were on the stand playing and she started to wrinkle her nose, making
a slightly displeased face in the process, but it was subtle. I didn't
know what she as thinking about, but after awhile it dawned on me that
this Swiss cat who badly needed a bath had come within sniffin' range
of Carter. This same guy had picked us up at the train station. We
rode to the gig in his car with the windows down in the winter, and
John got sick in the process. So after the car ride we thought we had
seen the last of him, but he had come right up and in the middle of
the set he sat down in front of the stage right under Regina, fouling
her air supply.
AAJ: What is the most meaningful or memorable compliment you've
ever received?
JE: I consider the highest praise to be when someone tells me that
I don't sound like anyone else and that no one sounds like me.
AAJ: What other projects can we expect from you in 2001-2002?
JE: I just finished a wonderful project this week. Last fall, Joe
Lovano and I did some performing in duo and quartet formats. The music
was so nice that I decided to look around for a recording opportunity.
So just this past week, we went into the studio and cut a record for
btl. It was Joe, Judi Silvano on voice and flute, Drew Gress on bass
and myself. The date is under my name, but Joe contributed some great
pieces. It will be out in Nov. or Dec. this year.
The STNY is doing our first record with Rob Thomas next week. Omnitone
is recording 3 nights at The Jazz Standard, a nice club in the city.
We're going to record a beautiful piece that we commissioned Dave
Douglas to write for us called In So Many Worlds. Chamber Music
America provided the funding for that commission. Also John and I will
record new pieces that were commissioned thru the Commissioning USA
program run by Meet The Composer.
The main thing that I've been working on for the last 5 months is a
new work for orchestra. It's a piece titled Transformations and it's
for 3 improvisers and chamber orchestra. The improvisers are Franz
Koglmann, Tony Coe and me and the orchestra is Klangforum, a 24 piece
group based in Vienna. Writing the music has been a huge thrill. There
is approx. 22 minutes of thru-composed music and with improvised
sections added, the piece is about 30 minutes in length. In September,
there will be two performances, in Vienna and Wiesbaden, and then we
record the work in Vienna. We'll also record 20 minutes of small group
works to make a complete recording. This is also for btl. I'm very
pleased to be with btl. They encourage me to get into different things
and to be myself, which goes along with my concept perfectly.
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